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  The GB's modesty knows no bounds

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sarcasm intended obviously 🙄.

  in the intro from the latest ezekiel book:.

  as youread through its 22 chapters and meditate on thebeautiful illustrations found therein, you will beamazed at all the careful research that has goneinto its preparation.. they call themselves the faithful and discreet slave, but how discreet is it really to be constantly bragging about yourself?

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  The "leaders" of the Society have been evermore self-aggrandizing for as long as I can remember. I said as much to my parents, faithful and sincere JWs for decades, in a moment of frustration. They insisted that "the Brothers™ are humble!" Only out of love and respect for my parents was I able to restrain my reply to a simple, "They sure don't seem like it to me."

  My problem with the Society is not that they're wrong about so many things. Heck, it's all fairy tales and fantasy anyway. Their interpretations and explanations of stories in the book of Jewish fables are not even consistent within themselves, but even that is not my main problem with them.

  Their main "evil" in my book is that they require, actually demand, blind acceptance of whatever their truth du jour happens to be. What is a required belief today might have been apostasy yesterday, and may be apostasy tomorrow. And those who saw what is now accepted Truth™ a bit early and were castigated (or worse) for it will remain "apostates" because they "ran ahead of Jehovah's chariot." The self-appointed GODs (Guardians Of Doctrine) in New York demand their followers believe what they say, when they say it, and not a minute before or a minute later than when it's deemed "current truth." All under the threat of something a JW fears worse than death: being labeled an apostate and thrown out.

  Something even worse may be coming down the road. The sheeple are being conditioned to "obey whatever instructions" they may receive, even if they seem foolish or don't make sense from a strategic standpoint. Who knows what evil or self-destructive things the Society's blindly obedient lemmings may be ordered to do.

  There are few things more dangerous than people who have turned their thinking over to someone else. Unquestioning obedience has never worked out well in the end.
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  Court documents reveal Watchtower's tactics in Montana child abuse case

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there were numerous objections and claims that watchtower lawyers made to try and get out of being held responsible for their negligence and malice.

  here’s the juicy ones:.

  montana is a mandatory reporting state, but watchtower lawyers claimed that the law for reporting abuse only applies to “individuals” and they are “corporations”.

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  They're dug in too deep to see an obvious solution: They could just say Nu-Lite™ has revealed that the two witness rule only applies to congregational action and that they now realize that any potential criminal cases must be reported to authorities to protect the Borg from being accused of condoning or covering up criminal conduct. It's simply a matter of "rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

  I think the GODs (Guardians of Doctrine) in New York are just too blinded by fear of looking bad to realize that if they immediately reported accusations of child abuse and let the law take its course, it would actually enhance the Borg's reputation. They could say they're not taking congregational action "until the matter is established," but are restricting the accused's "privileges" to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Then they could claim to be law abiding instead of having the reputation of protecting molesters and doing nothing to protect children, all to avoid looking bad. They railed against the Catholic Church for decades for doing the exact same thing.
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  Do Jehovah`s Witnesses lie to receive Government benefits ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah`s witnesses do not respect the ,governments of any nation from my experience with "witnesses" over 33 years as a card carrying member.

  the governments are to be exploited taking advantage of all the provisions govt`s, hand out to their citizens.after all the govts, are under the control of satan the devil ,he is the ruler of this world and is at enmity with god.. so they feel justified in practicing deception as they the gov`ts.

  being opposer`s of truth have no right to know the real truth.. i personally knew of pioneers who had no intention of finding work but were happy to take unemployment benefits from the govt.

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  I don't like to get into anyone else business, but if I personally knew of anyone taking benefits they weren't entitled to, I'd turn them in in a heartbeat. Especially if they were doing so in order to pioneer. That way, I could not only help get someone who didn't deserve it off the dole, but could hope to bring reproach on the J-dog's name at the same time by making it known what they were doing.
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  How were God’s true worshipers to determine virginity of pagan girls?

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the genocidal instructions supposedly given by god we find this interesting command: “now kill all the boys.

  and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (numbers 31:17, 18).

  in the midst of killing and plundering, how were the israelites to determine whether each girl “has slept with a man” or not?.

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  This whole concept is disgusting, and shows once again that the supposed "god" of the book of Jewish fairy tales is not worthy of respect, much less worship.

  In those days, female virgins wore distinctive clothing that denoted their status as such. A "violated" girl or woman, even one who had been raped, could no longer wear this garb, as this would have been considered "false advertising." Similar to a soldier impersonating an officer.

  Check out the appalling story in 2 Samuel 13, when David's son Amnon rapes his own half-sister Tamar. Verse 19 mentions her special robe, which she tore off after the rape.

  By the way, the very special David, "who God loved," didn't even punish Amnon. "Oh well, whatcha gonna do?" It was another of David's sons, Absalom, who killed Amnon out of revenge a bit later.

  Doesn't all this make you wanna fall down and worship the Divine Creator who favored such men?
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  How would the Borg view IVF?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  specifically if an unwed woman decided she wanted a kid without the hassle of dating/relationship /trying to get pregnant etc and just got a sperm doner with ivf?

  surely it's not fornication?

  the whole process is far removed from sex.

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  Everybody above is right. The Society takes the ridiculous position that a married couple can only use their own egg and sperm for IVF; it's adultery and/or fornication to use anyone else's. Even using a surrogate is forbidden. Talk about man-made arbitrary rules...

  It's kinda like what they do about the blood issue. They blow some dubious "principle" all out of proportion to make a new "law" and enforce it like it came from the mouth of the big J-dog himself.

  In the case of IVF, though, they completely ignore a clear principle that actually IS in their book of Jewish fairy tales. No ambiguity or uncertainty here. Not only is the principle behind modern-day IVF allowed, it was actually mandatory in some cases. There is at least one specific example where someone (Onan) was killed by sky daddy for NOT upholding that principle. He disrespected the brother-in-law marriage arrangement by using his widowed sister-in-law for his own gratification and then spilling his seed on the ground, defeating the whole purpose. See Genesis 38 or the Wikipedia article "Onan" for all the gory details.

  Brother-in-law marriage, provided for and in fact required by the Mosaic Law, clearly demonstrates that the physical exchange of DNA does not constitute adultery. The "sin" is in the unfaithfulness and deception. That's why most everyone except religious zealots accept that donating one's eggs or sperm to help someone is not a sin at all, but instead is an unselfish act of the most personal kind. And that's without even considering that modern IVF in clinical in nature, while brother-in-law marriage involved actual intercourse, almost certainly repeatedly, until the desired results were achieved.

  I believe the same thing applies to surrogacy, where a couple's fertilized fetus is implanted into another woman. The surrogate gives the couple the wonderfully unselfish gift of carrying their baby to term, all the while considering the baby to be theirs and not her own. How can that be wrong?

  I have no use for religious leaders who use their influence and "authority" to run other people's lives. In the end, it's all about power, control, and money.
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  Numeracy

  by jws in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i recently saw on a website where a guy i know posted a link to a video by graham hancock.

  now this guy is a nutjob kind of like the ancient alien guys.

  this pyramid has been a fascination of crackpots for years.

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  Basically, you can correlate anything to anything else if you try hard enough. Especially if you're willing to fudge things a bit to make them fit better (think "Pyramid inches.")

  But this denies a scientific principle that has been proven over and over again: Correlation is not the same as causation.

  The fact that two or more sets of facts or events can be shown to correspond statistically does not prove that either one actually causes the other. There are usually many other factors in play, some unknown.

  My hat's off to jws for starting this thread. I like the way he used logic and reason to demonstrate the folly of looking for hidden signs and meanings to prove a hypothesis you've already accepted as fact. That's pretty much the opposite of the scientific method.

  Oh well, whatcha gonna do? People are gonna believe whatever they wanna believe... no proof or logic required.
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  Accounts report at Circuit Assemblies to go away

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was at the regional convention and asked an elder why is that at the assemblies their is an accounts report but not at the conventions?

  he said, well actually they got a letter and in it said that in a little while they will do away with the accounts report stating how much the assembly costs for the weekend and just go to donation basis like at the conventions.. my first thought was, "they will donate even less now.".

  anybody else hear about such a thing?.

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  I'll bet dollars to donuts they'll still find a way to extort encourage contributions. They may not announce a "deficit," but they'll for sure announce that the "costs" for this "grand spiritual feast" was X-thousand dollars.

  I can hear it now: "I'm sure you brothers will keep this in mind when making your generous contributions from your unrighteous riches. Remember, we must put the Kingdom™ first! The Bible warns we must not appear before Jehovah empty handed!" And so on and so on, ad nauseam...
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  Film about a Jehovah's Witness with leukaemia

  by Amelia Ashton in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=83t1gmazgsm&feature=youtu.be#menu.

  a trailer for "the children act".

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  FYI, the book is available on in both the paperback and Kindle editions on Amazon. Also, I found the unabridged audiobook (5 CDs) at my local library. It'll be interesting to see how closely the movie follows the book.
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  Georgia jury awards 1 BILLION DOLLARS after guard rapes 14 year old teen

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-jury-awards-dollar1-billion-after-guard-rapes-teen/ar-aaxi4l2?li=bbnbfcl.

  the public is getting very upset at the abuse of children.

  how would the society survive if hit with this kind of award for the conduct of pedophile members when evidence shows they were trying to silence the victim by threats to protect the watchtower's reputation.

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  Just wondering... Why was this miscreant convicted of statutory rape and not forcible rape, aggravated rape, or even just rape?

  Statutory rape usually means one of the parties was underage and therefore didn't have the legal capacity to consent, even though they may have been eager to tango or may have even been the initiator. Not at all saying that's the case here, but what's going on?

  Plus, does anyone else think a billion dollars is a bit much, even for an ax murder?
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  Edgar (the Crow) Colludes with the *Russians*

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. friends

  a couple of years ago, sitting at starbucks outside patio, i became "aware" of a feathered mafioso i eventually named edgar.so weird and varied have been our adventures, i began writing about them.this is only the latest installment in what i like to call: the edgar chronicles_______edgar colludes with the rooskiesi sit carefully selecting which words to use--there are pitfalls to my tale.2 chinese ladies are problematic for a writer who is an olde white male.what if i accidentally stereotype?

  i dare not!with your kind permission, i will change the sex and country of origin of my 2 characters to avoid going off the rails.instead, this story is transformed into 2 *russian* guys!

  that you crow.

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  At least those mentally diseased Russians didn't wear that getup and try to infiltrate a prom somewhere, brazenly flouting their own culture in a cynical attempt to offend peace-loving gyno-Americans. (Chortle, chortle!)

  Another great tale, Terry! May the Great Edgar and his humble chronicler live on to time indefinite, regaling us with tales of derring-do or something like that. Salaam, Salaam.